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Android Apps and Games. Android Wear Software and Hacking General. Yeah, I guess I just don't want to accept that they're going to shove supernatural bullshit into the show.
You don't remember the Ragnarok production in season one? To boot, the seer is usually pretty vague, ambiguous enough to not spoil the show, but also accurate in hindsight.
Telling Jarl Borg there's an eagle above him, yet Jarl Borg is the eagle was pretty priceless. I will say there are more and less tasteful ways of bringing up the supernatural stuff than letting it be largely speculated in the way they seem to have left it for now, but we shall see how it plays out.
We're talking norse mythology here. Of course the show in some point would bring this kind of thing up. Actually, I think this kind of thing will make a great contrast between the reality in Scandinavia and the reality in England.
There was for sure some mystical powers going on healing the kid, knowing what all the other characters were going through, etc. I would really like them to introduce some more supernatural stuff into the Scandinavian side of the stories.
I remember one of the first things that drew me into the series big time was Ragnar seeing Odin after him and Rollo were finishing up axeing some people to death in the first episode.
That darker weird undertone properly caught my attention and tbh I've missed that element of it ever since.
Yes they talk about the gods but I would love to see them or the possibility of them more often. Maybe not while they are in England but certainly back at Kattergart etc.
Just adds a bit more mystery and the mystery of the wanderer was well done. It would be great if it was Loki ticking, or Odin or Thor coming down to keep an eye on them.
After all the show is Vikings so seeing their religion is some form of visual is great and fully from their perspective. We don't need the equivalent while they're in England.
Although Rollo seriously considers the offer, he eventually chooses not to betray his brother or more accurately, not to betray Lagertha.
They soon find out that Earl Haraldson has arranged for Thyri's marriage to the much older Swedish lord for twenty pounds of silver, an arrangement about which both Thyri and her mother Siggy are evidently displeased.
Thyri's husband-to-be begins telling her about their future together, particularly their wedding and the sons he expects from her, all the while promising her gifts when he returns later that year.
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To me, the woman she saw rather resembled one of the valkyries from the earlier episodes. Scholarly theories have been proposed about the implications of the location.
Image i - "Freya" by Carl Emil Doepler. I'm not sure she saved Ragnar's sons. I think the Wanderer may have appeared as Ragnar's sons and lured her out to the lake to die in exchange for further healing Ivar.
The fiery snow and his telling of Thor's story followed by the admission that he was there are both strong indicators that he was Loki. The evidence that he was Odin would fall in line with Loki tricking people into thinking he was Odin, and tricking Siggy into thinking he was Thyra or maybe Freyja at the icy lake remember Loki is a shapeshifter, which no other Asa was ever described as being capable of, except Heimdall in one story and Freyja through a specific spell, but she isn't really an Asa anyway.
Taking pain away but in turn taking the lives of children also seems a very Loki thing to do. Furthermore, his connection with Ivar may become important later on, as the saga-Ivar becomes somewhat of a bringer of chaos and deceit to his enemies.
To extrapolate on the fiery snow, those two symbols may represent his connection to the Ice Giants, Jotuns, and his association with fire sometimes as Loge, his counterpart.
Neither of those things are, as far as I know, ever associated with Odin. You seem to forget the story about Odin and the mead of poetry.
Odin was a known shapeshifter, too. I'm on the fence with this; the wanderer said that Siggy was in Valhalla with her daughter and husband, and only Odin can permit someone into his hall.
Also, with Ragnar claiming to be a descendant from Odin, and his wife being the daughter of Sigurd, who was a Volsung, who were descendants of Odin, that would mean Ivar was a descendant of Odin on both sides, and the ancestors are tasked with looking out for us after their passing.
That's just my view on it, though. I forgot to mention that Harbard is another one of the names that Odin has taken from time to time.
All signs point to this wanderer being the Allfather. The Valhalla thing made me shift towards Odin as well, but it bears remembering that Loki lies, and a regular dude running a con on the Queen probably would make every attempt to diffuse any anger or suspicion directed at him after the kids almost died, Siggy died saving them, and dude is no worse for wear other than snow on his knee and a sad story.
Spice it up with the Valhalla bit, at least that is a bit of a silver lining that might help him get out of the fjord with his skull attached.
Hirst has been pretty ingenious here, giving the non-shield maidens a decent story that has probably inspired more conversation than the battles and intrigue of Wessex and Mercia.
I doubt he'll clear this up for us anytime soon, will make for more compelling wrinkles when it inevitably resurfaces later.
Loki wouldn't heal Ivar, though, and his personality wasn't how one would expect Loki to be. Loki would've caused trouble for the village, while Harbard's focus seemed to be people who were descendants of Odin.
I can't recall any story of Loki impersonating Odin off the top of my head, either. All of the Gods tend to do whatever it is that befits their own purposes.
Well, maybe not all of them all the time, but particularly Loki does. While just going out of the way to heal a child is not necessarily Loki's domain, if it was foretold somewhere that Ivarr would be a great bringer of chaos if he made it out of his difficult childhood, Loki would probably see fit to heal him.
Or if he knew it would piss someone off. Ffs, Loki is Slepnir's mother, maybe he finally had maternal instinct kick in and figured he would help the kid out.
I also don't think the Seer would have reacted the way he did if it were Odin. I dunno though, he could have seen further than just the name.
As far as stories of Loki impersonating Odin, I don't recall any either, but most of Loki's stories involve him being slightly more intelligent than he is batshit crazy, and he is most definitely very crazy.
Again, I do think that if it furthered his purposes, he wouldn't hesitate. I will say that he isn't generally seen to be intentionally helpful, but Hirst likes getting twisty enough that there could be things revealed later that make the speculation moot and bring us out of the dark.
He's found a big grey area here to hide revelations in, and I love the care he took to weave this. I hope he either drops it so we never know, or makes it something that runs through the whole series, but we still never know.
So are you saying that Baldur would kill if it fit his purposes? Or that Tyr would be unjust to get his way? The gods have their principles, so they don't do whatever they want to get what they want.
Sure, Loki is intelligent, and obviously a trickster, but he's also very fearful of the Aesir, so he wouldn't impersonate Odin because he would know that it would get back to him and he'd be punished.
I wouldn't claim to be an expert, but I have studied these stories for over a decade, and I can be pretty sure that Harbard is Odin. You're misunderstanding my intentions there.
Yes, the Gods have their principles or purpose and most of their actions further them. I wasn't saying Baldur would kill, because that would specifically be against the purposes he is normally thought of as being interested in furthering.
Healing the child is not specifically contrary to Loki's general purposes in the sagas. The flyting of Lokasenna and engineering the death of Baldur seem more egregious than pretending to be his blood brother on Midgard.
I can see the case for Odin here, don't get me wrong. I also see it as a possibility that dude was just a regular Joe trying to get some Queentang.
I can't count out Loki either though. Don't get me wrong, I can tell you're knowledgeable on the Norse pantheon from your other discourse around here.
I don't feel like it's entirely relevant in this particular instance though, as the show is written in such a way that people who know about the history aren't always happy, people who study typical clothing from this time aren't always happy, it's entirely possible that folks who know the religions involved well won't always agree with the treatment.
The writer seems much more interested in the dichotomy the two religions bring about in the people than actually sticking to doctrine too heavily.
He's done more blurring lines than detailing the old stories. On top of that, it seems obviously written to be a little ambiguous, but leaning in a particular direction, and things on the show are not always as they seem.
We may have to agree to disagree, I just think that whenever I decide my mind is made up, it's going to turn out to be that squirrel on the world tree or something, so I'm not going to go there just yet.
I completely understand, and I don't want to agree to disagree because I don't necessarily disagree with you; I enjoy the discussion.
As for Loki's involvement in the death of Baldur, well, I'm not fond of Loki, but after he had one child thrown into the ocean, one bound by trickery, one made the steed of his blood-brother, and only the last getting at least her own hall to watch the dead while they sleep, I can understand why he would want to kill Baldur.
Killing the son of Odin who was loved by all things would be a great way to hurt the Aesir, and Loki, being intelligent and knowing that those who are asleep in Niflheim are spared from the destruction of the realms should anything happen such as Ragnarok , would be smart to put such a just and kind god in the position to rule the new realms.
I'm getting off point, though. I can see what you're saying; things aren't necessarily historically accurate, especially with Rollo, but I suppose it's just my Heathen heart hoping that the writers are doing justice to the gods as they portray the story of some of their people.
I think that Hirst has been rather respectful of religion on both sides this far, while also pitching the idea that they are very different, and not so different at the same time.
He hasn't really gone in depth either way, other than to establish how the people relate to and interact within the systems and to flesh out the conflicts caused by the differences and similarities.
He's handling things with kid gloves while he tries to pull story out, but he isn't perfect, and it's not inconceivable that he's guiding us to early conclusions that he'll bash later.
Remember the finale last season? The man is a bastard. A glorious, amazing bastard, but a bastard nonetheless.
Yeah, it's been written very well, and been very good about both sides of the religions. That was a great finale. In what story does Odin use that name?
The only occurrence of it I know of is the Ferryman who Thor does a couple contests with and I do not recall him being Odin in the end.
Besides the fact that Harbard means "Grey beard", and that Harbard displays the same personality traits in Harbardsljod as Odin does in the Havamal, Odin specifically states in Grimnismal that one of his names is Harbard.
Just google Harbard Odin -Harvard it helps to exclude "Harvard" from the search. Iggy's sons, 2 boys were found in a fishing net a few episodes ago, and now Ragnar's sons being 'lured' into a frozen lake.
Well, there is not complete consensum over Hvitserk being Halfdan Ragnarsson, so he might be that son Everything the wanderer did could have happened naturally but it was interpreted as god like because Vikings and most all people back then were extremely superstitious.
I say it's the god Loki, bear with me, it all makes sense: Also, the Seer says something about a trickster, but if I recall he's referring to Ecbert.
Harbard is also referred to multiple times as the wanderer, which really only applies to Odin and makes absolutely no sense for Loki.
Harbard from Vikings wikia: Harbard is a wanderer, a mysterious man who is not what he seems. Harbard will have a profound effect on Queen Aslaug, Siggy and Helga, all of whom have had the same dream, presaging his arrival.
Ragnar is supposed to be a direct descendant of Odin, who is also the wanderer. Since Ragnar identifies so strongly with Odin, it makes sense that this god would manifest to address the ways he failed as a husband and father.
By appearing, it also appears he's blessing the crippled son. Ragnar hasn't had any failings as a Viking except for maybe sparing Rolo. I don't believe it was Loki due to the absence of fire and his willingness to heal.
Odin is the obvious pick but it could have been any number of gods or just a holy man. Just a troll in old times taking advantage of superstitious folk.
I believe the wanderer was Odin himself. He often would frequent the Earthly world to bed women and impregnate them as well. He had powers over women in the real world and in the dream world, hence all three of them dreaming of the same "man.
Odin was a wanderer, but he didn't always have his missing eye when traveling midgard. He did however, always appear as a wise old man of little wealth.
Loki was always referenced as "the doer of good, and the doer of evil". A lot of you seem to have this impression that he was only evil, which is purely marvel universe bullshit.
He did great things for the Aesir, not Asa, as Asa Thor was a name given my the giants and bad things.
It's more likely he was Loki, rather than Odin as Odin did as little to be involved with men as possible. Save for the training of a young man and his brother that he and Frigg took on for a time.
The name of the saga eludes me. The fire and ice are reference to the ice Giants and fire demons who came together on ships to do battle with the gods during the Twilight of the gods.
The bleeding hand is stigmata which is a reference to the displeasure of the other God I assume. The stigmata is a rough guess and likely wrong. He heals, and causes pain.
He only does what seems to benefit himself. Odin would benefit others. It's Loki, or the personification of him.
However, Odin and the valkyries were seen during the first episode. It isn't beyond the realm that Loki visited in Ragnars absence, especially if he is the son of Odin; which we know he is because he saw Odin in the first episode.
Only the sons of Odin that are men can see the all father in his glory, and not as an old man. Also, Loki was not the son of ice Giants nor a god.
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